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{"id":3330,"date":"2018-11-10T17:32:32","date_gmt":"2018-11-10T17:32:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.worldofwills.uk\/Home\/?p=3330"},"modified":"2021-01-15T10:09:17","modified_gmt":"2021-01-15T10:09:17","slug":"motorhome-batteries","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worldofwills.uk\/wordpress\/2018\/11\/10\/motorhome-batteries\/","title":{"rendered":"Motorhome batteries"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">There is a lot of \u201cdiscussion\u201d in forums about the type of battery that should be fitted in a motorhome, and why some types are deemed to be unsuitable. In order to help me decide on which battery to buy to replace our existing battery I have pulled together the following information.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"p4\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Summary of battery types<\/b><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Wet lead acid<\/b>: traditional old fashioned wet cell technology. Charging the battery heats the electrolyte and causes gassing.These batteries must be maintained by topping up with distilled water. They must also be vented and should NOT be mounted inside a motorhome. As the electrolyte is a liquid, wet cells are more susceptible to vibration. Some are sealed so shouldn\u2019t require topping up. Electrolyte is liquid so can spill in a crash.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>EFB: Enhanced flooded battery: <\/b>A step up from the wet cells, still a wet cell battery but does not need topping up. Supposedly sealed but still should be vented. Electrolyte is liquid so can spill in a crash and they will be susceptible to vibration. Charge regime as per wet lead acid battery.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Absorbed Glass Matt (AGM): <\/b>this is the most contentious battery type. It was introduced as a completely sealed, high power, deep discharge, rapid charging, high performance battery. They are less susceptible to vibration as their electrolyte is encapsulated in the glass matt. AGM batteries are fully sealed and do not need venting. They can be mounted inside the motorhome.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Gel: <\/b>Gel batteries are another deep discharge, rapid charging battery type that are completely sealed. Due to their construction, gel batteries can be mounted at any angle or orientation and are suitable for mounting inside a motorhome.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Gel batteries perform better than AGM when deep discharged, meaning that they will provide a greater number of recharge cycles, they perform better at higher temperatures than AGM and are less sensitive to thermal runaway.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Gel batteries recharge much faster than flooded-cell batteries, provided that a regulated charge voltage is temperature compensated, but cannot be charged as quickly as AGM.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Gel batteries are extremely sensitive to charge voltages above 14.1-volts DC at 68 degrees.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">There are many posts in the forums from people whose batteries have failed after 1 or 2 years and many blame the AGM technology. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">My current battery is a Banner AGM. It is 5 years old and still retains its charge. My \u201cusage pattern\u201d is one of low rate of discharge &#8211; we have LED lighting and rarely use the TV; we also keep it on trickle charge when the \u2018van is parked at home. We have not gone off-grid for more than 3 days at a time, the last time being in the New Forest in October where we needed lighting, water pump, satellite (radio) and heating. The battery discharged to 12.3volts by the end of the 3 days and was showing as fully charged by the time we arrived home, less than an hour\u2019s drive away. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Much of the \u201cnoise\u201d around the suitability of AGM batteries seems to be that they are unsuitable if you cannot charge the battery at 14.7V. The following graphic is from the Victron site and clearly shows that the normal charging voltage for an AGM battery should be between 14.2 and 14.6 volts. The \u2018van\u2019s alternator voltage is 14.4 and the EBL is capable of 14.4V which fall in the normal service charge range for an AGM battery. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/worldofwills.uk\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/Victron-chart.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4909\" width=\"576\" height=\"271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/worldofwills.uk\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/Victron-chart.png 768w, https:\/\/worldofwills.uk\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/Victron-chart-300x141.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 576px) 85vw, 576px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">From the Victron table above it looks like 14.6-14.9V is needed to perform a fast recharge of the battery as opposed to a \u2018normal\u2019 recharge.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Banner specify a <strong>maximum<\/strong> charging voltage for AGM at 14.8V.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">An AGM is capable of a fast recharge which would mean supplying 14.6-14.9 volts.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">An AGM has very low internal resistance allowing it to be charged very quickly. Low internal resistance combined with a low state of charge and applying &gt;14.4V will lead to a high current charging so will necessitate using a charger capable of providing around 25% of the battery rating to adequately charge. For a 100Ah battery, the charger should be rated at least 25A. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Low internal resistance also leads to better high current discharge rates than wet cell batteries hence exhibit a greater number of charge-discharge cycles.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">AGM batteries require precise, voltage-regulated, temperature-compensated charging routines. AGM batteries <b>can<\/b> accept a very high charge rate, a charge rate unlikely to be provided by most van battery chargers. Chargers should be connected to a battery mounted temperature sensor to prevent thermal runaway.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Gel: <\/b>Gel batteries are another deep discharge, rapid charging battery type that are completely sealed. Due to their construction, gel batteries can be mounted at any angle or orientation and are suitable for mounting inside a motorhome.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Gel batteries perform better than AGM when deep discharged, meaning that they will provide a greater number of recharge cycles, they perform better at higher temperatures than AGM and are less sensitive to thermal runaway.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Gel batteries recharge much faster than flooded-cell batteries, provided that a regulated charge voltage is temperature compensated.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Gel batteries are extremely sensitive to charge voltages above 14.1-volts DC at 68C.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Notes<\/b>:<\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul><li class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Our on-board Schaudt EBL 29 has battery charge settings for \u201cwet\u201d and \u201cgel\u201d, but does not have a setting for AGM so cannot provide the higher 14.6-14.9V required to rapidly recharge an AGM.<\/span><\/li><li class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The Schaudt EBL 29 contains a Schaudt LAS 1218 charger and can provide up to 18A charging current.<\/span><\/li><li class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The Schaudt EBL charges both the habitation and cab batteries.<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s1\">The Fiat cab alternator supplies a charging voltage of approx 14.4V<\/span><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Thoughts<\/b>:<\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"ul1\"><li class=\"li1\"><span class=\"s2\">Wet cells, even the EFB (enhanced flooded battery) are really only capable of a maximum of around 200 recharge cycles. They are not capable of rapid charge and discharge, they will also need to be vented.<\/span><\/li><li>EFB cells are really only suitable for low power requirements where the rate of discharge is low.<\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">Adding a second habitation battery may require a second charger to be fitted although the EBL could charge 2 95Ah batteries, but this would be an edge condition and is outside the spec of the EBL29.&nbsp; As gel batteries charge at a slower rate than AGM, the EBL could support 2*80Ah gel batteries.<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">A second charger could be connected directly to the batteries or connected as an auxiliary charger through the EBL. The EBL auxiliary charger is fused at 20A charge current. A suitable charger is the \u201cblind\u201d Apuljack Engineering AE276Plus or one of the Victron Blue Smart chargers, in particular the 15A charger.<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">A Gel battery will typically provide 600 recharge cycles<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">An AGM battery will typically provide 400 recharge cycles<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">An AGM can be charged at a faster rate than Gel or wet.<\/span><\/li><li><span class=\"s2\">A wet or EFB battery will be unlikely to provide up to 200 cycles<\/span><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Single replacement battery costs<\/b><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table class=\"\"><tbody><tr><td>&nbsp;<\/td><td><strong>Wet\/EFB (100Ah)<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>AGM (95Ah)<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>Gel (80Ah)<\/strong><\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Cost<\/td><td>120<\/td><td>170<\/td><td>180<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Additional charger<\/td><td>&nbsp;<\/td><td>&#8211;<\/td><td>&nbsp;<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Total<\/td><td>120<\/td><td>170<\/td><td>180<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Dual replacement battery costs<\/b><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table t1\"><table class=\"\"><tbody><tr><td>&nbsp;<\/td><td>Wet (100Ah)<\/td><td>AGM (95Ah)<\/td><td>Gel (80Ah)<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Cost<\/td><td>240<\/td><td>340<\/td><td>360<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Additional charger<\/td><td>140<\/td><td>140<\/td><td>0<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Sundries (cable, sockets)<\/td><td>40<\/td><td>40<\/td><td>40<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Total<\/td><td>420<\/td><td>520<\/td><td>400<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Conclusion<\/b><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>EFB batteries are not suitable for any kind of wild camping as they exhibit too few charge\/recharge cycles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Both AGM and Gel batteries require a well-regulated charging system. Without a voltage regulated, three-stage battery charger with temperature compensation then you should not expect to achieve the battery\u2019s rated life cycle.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">With a correctly rated charger capable of 3+ stage charging and temperature compensation AGM should provide a long lasting, high performance battery power<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">In addition, the AGM and gel\u2019s self-discharge rate is extremely low. Flooded-cell batteries self-discharge 1 percent per day or 30 percent per month (at 68 degrees), while VRLA batteries self-discharge generally less than 2 percent per month.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Habitation batteries will not recharge fully from the van alternator and should be regularly charged using a well regulated 3+ stage charger.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">We have to consider the motorhome 12V power supply system in its entirety and not just look at individual components. Focussing on the battery without addressing its usage or charging requirements will result in less than optimal power delivery and increased costs.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is a lot of \u201cdiscussion\u201d in forums about the type of battery that should be fitted in a motorhome, and why some types are deemed to be unsuitable. In order to help me decide on which battery to buy to replace our existing battery I have pulled together the following information. 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